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Unlocking Your Spiritual Gifts: When Sensitivity Becomes Your Superpower

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Have you ever walked into a room and immediately felt overwhelmed by emotions that weren't even yours? Or caught glimpses of things out of the corner of your eye that disappeared when you looked directly? If you're nodding along, this episode is going to be a game-changer for you.

Join us as we sit down with Marie Bursch, licensed pastor and founder of Vibrant Life Consulting, who shares her incredible journey of discovering and embracing her spiritual gifts as a "feeler" and "seer." What she once saw as being "too sensitive" became her greatest strength in connecting with God and serving others.

In this powerful conversation, you'll discover:

  • How to tell the difference between your emotions and someone else's
  • Why children with these gifts often become the "canaries in the cage" for their families
  • Practical strategies for managing overwhelming spiritual sensitivity
  • The biblical foundation for seer and feeler gifts
  • How to protect yourself in spiritually intense environments

Marie's story will resonate deeply if you've ever felt misunderstood for your sensitivity or dismissed for experiences others couldn't relate to. She transforms the narrative from "there's something wrong with me" to "I have a gift that God wants to use."

Whether you're a parent recognizing these gifts in your child, or someone who's spent years trying to "turn down" your spiritual sensitivity, this episode offers hope, practical tools, and the encouragement to step into who God created you to be.

Don't let the enemy silence your spiritual radar—the world needs your gift now more than ever.

Connect with Marie at https://www.vibrantlifeconsulting.com/

SPEAKER_01:

So, welcome back to the podcast. I'm super excited to have my dear friend Marie Birsch. Marie Birsch, I have to remember to say it that way because she is freshly married, which is very exciting. We might talk about that today. Uh, and Marie is the founder and owner of Vibrant Life Consultings. She's a licensed pastor, a brain sparring practitioner, and she helps her and clients experience like the full love of Jesus, which is my absolute favorite thing about her, is that she just is always connecting people back to the Lord. And it's just so good. So I am so excited to have you here today, Marie. So welcome. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. The Lord has brought our lives together over the last few years. And there's just like this incredible synergy that has happened. And there's so much overlap in what we do, but there's so much beauty in it because we each have our strengths within it. And I just love it. Uh, but today we're going to talk about some specific gifts that you carry. Um, and the Lord has just downloaded just amazing insight into uh your feeler gift and your seeer gift. So why don't you just talk about that like from the beginning? Like when did you first know that maybe you carried something that other people didn't have?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I mean, as a kid, I just knew I was really sensitive. And yeah, sometimes that was seen as positive, but a lot of times as a kid, you hear the negative of like, oh, you're too sensitive, you know. And so I I think I just saw it more as a negative as a kid. I remember kind of probably like high school, college going through a season where I tried to become less sensitive. I tried to desensitize myself because I I could hardly watch a lot of movies or you know, things that other people could watch. I just I couldn't handle them. Yeah, I'd get nightmares from movies as a kid, you know, things like that. So I just had to be super careful. But then I also was sensitive physically and emotionally as um, well, I should say the physical and emotional is what I was aware of as a kid. It wasn't till I was I was in a Bible study with somebody, and um she just kind of looked at me and said, You do realize that as a sensitive person, you're not just sensitive physically and emotionally, but you're sensitive spiritually probably too. And it it clicked for me. And I I hadn't like put that together, that it all was part of the same thing. Um, I hated that I was sensitive physically. I had lots of allergies, I had lots of health problems growing up. Um, but I was very sensitive uh spiritually. I could hear the Lord very easily growing up. I had a lot of you know situations like that where I I just knew that I heard the Lord talking to me in my spirit and and through circumstances, yeah. And so I loved that about myself. And so that I think started this journey of like, okay, maybe this isn't all bad.

SPEAKER_01:

Shifting it a little bit.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, like, oh, I like that about myself. And if you know, if this means I have that, maybe I could accept it. Sure. Um so I was aware of being a feeler first. Yeah. Um, and I was not aware to the level that I felt other people's emotions until I got older and I started being around more people that were kind of aware of spiritual things, aware of the gifts of the spirit, things like that.

SPEAKER_01:

At what point did you realize it was like your theirs instead of yours? Like how did you make that connection?

SPEAKER_00:

Gosh, I feel like it happened so gradually. Um, it might not have been until I went to Dare to Believe and started getting more training. I remember hearing Donna DeSilva's shifting atmospheres talk was life-changing for me. Yeah. I was listening to it in my car as I was driving somewhere. And I literally just was having flashback after flashback after flashback of my life as she was talking. And I was like, oh my gosh, that's what that was. That's what that was. That's what that was. That's so good. I was like, oh my gosh, it wasn't mine. Like, I just I felt like somebody I just bowled me over. And I went, my whole life makes more sense right now.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I guess I had to relate to that.

SPEAKER_00:

I had had some very weird experiences that I didn't talk to anybody about because I did not know what to do with them. Yeah. And I was like, people will think I'm nuts if I share this. Yeah. You know, and so then I think around that I got curious. And here, I'll show you. This is what happens when I get curious.

SPEAKER_01:

She's got this stack of books, which I can totally relate to. My whole office is covered in stacks.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I was like trying to figure myself out. Now I understood it maybe had a name, you know, or of a gifting, like being a feeler, being a seer. And again, I only thought I was a feeler, but I also was learning about this gift called being a seer. And I was I read the book The Veil. That was kind of the starting point. Yeah. Um, and it fascinated me. Um, partly I feel like seers, um, even if you're not a seer, seers are so valuable to learn about because they show us the spiritual world in a way, like they show the reality of the spiritual world by describing what they're seeing. Yeah. And for those of us where most of the spiritual world is very veiled to us, yes, it makes it so real. And so it made God come alive, it made prayer come alive, it made spiritual warfare come alive. And I was just like, this is so real, you know, and it empowers your prayer life, it empowers how you think about God and all these different concepts in Christianity, I feel like. And so I kept reading Blake Healy's books. He's the one that wrote The Veil. And later on in the series, he talked about doing workshops and helping people understand like how to use the gift. Yeah. And as he described different ways that different people picked up on it, all of a sudden I realized, like, oh, I think I'm a seer too. Yeah. Yeah. Because I thought you had to see with your physical eyes, right? Like see to be a seer. And I usually see it in my imagination or in my mind's eye, we call it like where your eyes are open and you're seeing something that you know, like you're seeing it in your imagination. Yes. You're not seeing it in the real world, but you're seeing it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

In your imagination with your eyes open.

SPEAKER_01:

It's almost like a flash of a movie screen. Um, yeah. Or at least that's how I see it.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like seeing a picture from your imagination with your eyes open in the real world. So good. So you know you're not seeing it, but you're seeing it.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know how it's hard to put words to these things.

SPEAKER_01:

So when you have it, you're all of a sudden realizing, oh wow, I I've had that too, right? But it's fast.

SPEAKER_00:

I just thought I had a really vivid imagination growing up and I would dismiss most of it. Yeah. And just be like, oh, that was interesting, or why am I thinking about this right now? Right. You know? Um, but as I started to um like think about the possibility that maybe I had this gift thing, I started to be like, okay, I'm just gonna not dismiss these things and go with them and see what happens. Oh, that's and I started realizing I was seeing spiritual things and um and that it was super helpful information.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, what's the craziest thing you've seen?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, geez. Well, let me say this first. Let me say this first. Is I did not want to talk about this topic when the Lord for like I was reading all these books to learn about myself. I was not necessarily sharing it with a lot of people unless I found out that they were too. Then I would talk openly with them about it. And then the Lord was like, I want you to teach on this. I was like, How about no? Like, I don't want to be that weird person in Christianity, you know. And but you know, I never win those arguments with the Lord. Well, we never do, do we? Um so I was like, okay, so I started teaching on it, and what I was amazed at how many people came out of the woodwork of having these giftings, right? And what I saw is oh my gosh, we need to talk about this in the body of Christ.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00:

And what I started to realize as I talked to more and more of them is like these are the watchmen on the wall. Like the seer and feeler giftings are the the radar of of the Christian community where they can be like, hey, there's something evil coming, we should pray.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. Um, there's something happening, we need to cover this, right? Or God's doing something, we should move with this, right? Yes. And so the enemy always loves to go under the radar. And so if you can like think war, if you can knock out the radar, you can go under the radar, nobody knows you're coming and a sneak attack. Yes. And so what does he do with seers and feelers is he tries to knock out the gifting.

SPEAKER_01:

And so either that's by it's by getting you to think it's a curse, by getting you to think it's bad, or getting people to which a lot of churches, quite frankly, are mimicking that sentiment.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, like a lot of churches don't understand it, they think it's demonic, they think it's all, they relegate it all to New Age, yep, and they think that um you only see that if you've opened up a door to the demonic. And that's not true. Right. It's a gifting from the Lord, it's talked about in the old testament. Um, I like to read a couple verses because it really a lot of times people only remember the seer that was like a medium that was talked about in the Bible. That's not what we're talking about. Um Samuel 9 9 says, Formally in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, he used to say, Come and let us go to the seer, for he who is called a prophet now is formally called a seer. And then Chronicles 29, 29 says, Now the acts of King David from first to last are written in the chronicles of Samuel the Seer, in the chronicles of Nathan the prophet, and in the chronicles of Gad the Seer. Which is interesting because those three people all had kind of the same function.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But one's called a prophet and two are called seers. Right. And my guess is it's because of how they picked up the information that came to them.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Two of them probably saw it visually, one of them probably just got it more through hearing words or inner knowing from the Lord. And so just recognizing that it's it's biblical, you know? Yeah. It's how people pick up information from the Lord. Some people pick it up this way, some people don't. And I also look at it as each of these giftings is a continuum. You're gonna have people that are really low feelers, people that are really high feelers. They feel everything. You're gonna have people that see very little, and you're gonna have people that see um what I call high-level seers, like um Blake Healy, where he blatantly sees it all the time angels, demons, the whole nine yards, right? Um and you're gonna land somewhere on that spectrum. And I kind of think everybody probably has a little bit of both, but some, like I said, are really, really low, some are really, really high.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah. And I think we can easily shut it down to like for me, I know growing up, like I would see and know things, and and that was like shut down so quickly because it was just believed in my family that that wasn't from the Lord. Um, and so for me, I I felt like it was a bad thing, and so I just kind of turned it off and and didn't pick it back up again until you know the last handful of years. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So I think for feelers, a lot of time what happens is they get overwhelmed by the amount of emotional information and spiritual information that's coming at them. This was me. I did not understand that it wasn't all mine. I thought it was, so I just thought I was this emotional mess. And I didn't know what to do with all this information. I definitely couldn't communicate it all as a kid. Um, I just knew I felt discombobulated a lot of the times. And so you start stuffing it in your body. Yes. And I started having all these chronic health issues. Yep. So I kind of have a running hypothesis that a lot of chronically ill people are feelers that don't understand their gifting and don't know how to be healthy enough.

SPEAKER_01:

I would agree with that. Wholeheartedly.

SPEAKER_00:

And sears, what often happens is they often get attacked as children with nightmares or having visitations from demonic or scary stuff, you know, in their bedroom at night. And they may or may not tell the adults in their lives what's going on because they don't know how to communicate it. Yeah. Um, and it's too much and it overwhelms them, and then they shut it down.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And so I've met a lot of seers who shut the gift down early in their life and wanted nothing to do with it because all they saw was scary stuff. And that's what happened to Blake Healy, is he was getting kind of tormented by seeing all these things and didn't know what to do with it. And for him, it wasn't until he went to a church that started talking about the gifts of the spirit, and he just had this like divine connection moment, and he went, Oh, wait, I think this is a gift. And like within a week, it switched for him. Where he started to see more of the good than the bad because he started to realize it was a gift and not a curse. Yeah. And he started to talk about it with the adults in his life, and so then they were able to help like disciple him in it. Yeah, that's because thankfully they believed him. Right. But a lot of people are not believed. They're just, oh, you're crazy or you're making stuff up, or and they learn very quickly not to talk about it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, because it's not safe, which or which again is a strategy of the enemy.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's a strategy of the enemy to shut it down.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, of course. Of course, because if we can see things coming, feel things coming, shift atmospheres. So let's talk about. So I know this was a problem with me when I was a kid, is that I felt everything. And I didn't understand. I wasn't raised in a home where even really Jesus was talked about. So uh knowing that this was a gift, I just thought I was told my whole life I was too sensitive. And I, of course, saw it as this huge burden. I'm gonna I would walk into a room and I'd be like, I don't want to be here, I need to leave. Um, and you know, everyone around me, even into adulthood, be like, what is wrong with you? Like, just get get over it. There's nothing here, there's nothing wrong. But I could feel all the things in the atmosphere, right? And I know you've experienced things like this. So talk about how you made that shift. I know part of it was just starting to see it as a blessing instead of instead of this weight. Um, what else what other strategies could you give for somebody that's listening to this and is like, oh my goodness, that's me.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. So I think one of the first things I learned um was asking the question, is it to Jesus, is it mine? Yeah. So I would feel something. Um, and the check yourself at the door is a really important concept. Notice how you feel when you leave your atmosphere in the morning. Do you feel good? I feel rested, or I'm feeling cranky, I'm feeling tired, you know, just kind of like know yourself and being aware of where you're at before you step into other people's atmospheres is really important. Um, because then when there's a sudden shift, like, oh, I'm feeling pretty good this morning, I feel rested. I walk into work or wherever, and all of a sudden I'm angry. I wasn't angry five minutes ago. If I can recognize where I'm at enough, then when I have this sudden shift, I can go, wait a second, I wasn't feeling that way five minutes ago. This probably isn't mine.

SPEAKER_02:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, and then I can ask, especially if nothing has shifted. Like I'm nobody's done anything to me for me to be suddenly ragefully angry. Right. You know, yeah. I used to just think, well, the emotions happening in my body, it must be mine. And so then I would just try to attach it to something in my life so I didn't feel crazy. I know.

SPEAKER_01:

And I asked the question, what is wrong with me all the time when I was like all the time? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And I'd be like, ah, I'm not, what am I angry at? It must be you. You're in front of, you know, like I would just attach to stuff, and you know. Um, one time I was with my husband in the car and we were just sitting at a stoplight, and all of a sudden I burst out crying. And he's like, What's wrong? And I'm like, at first I'm thinking, I don't know, but then I attached to something in my life that was going on that made some sense to me. Yeah. But like 30 seconds later, a funeral procession went through the light in front of us. And we just went, oh, okay. That makes more sense. You know, I felt like this wave of grief coming down the street. So um I think before I would have just dismissed that. Sure. I wouldn't have even connected it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You know. So check yourself at the door. Um, notice when there's sudden shifts, especially if there's nothing, literally nothing that's happened in your life that should have created that shift. Right. Suddenly you feel depressed, suddenly you feel grief. Um and I would just ask, start asking the Lord, Jesus, is this mine? Yeah. And see what he said. And it if he said, No, it's not yours, then I would ask, Okay, whose is it? And I'd say about 80% of the time he'd tell me. Um, maybe 20% of the time I didn't need to know. Um, and then I'd ask him, What do you want me to do with this information? Most of the time, he just wanted me to pray. Right. It was an intercession thing. He wanted me to pray for that person. Um, you do not have to be in the presence of that person to feel their stuff. Yeah. I have felt people's stuff that were on the other side of the continent. Yeah. Yeah. From me. Okay. So um I would pray for them, and I would say the vast majority of the time, 30 seconds or less of praying for that person, and I would feel that emotion or burden or whatever it was lift off of me, and I was done.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So good.

SPEAKER_00:

Now, sometimes you'll have a burden that lasts longer than that, excuse me, where you feel like you need to pray longer or the burden just stays, or sometimes the burden will keep coming back five, 10 times a day. But the Lord's just going, Hey, can you pray again? Yeah. Can you pray again? And it'd be like 30 seconds or less. It would lift. Um, this was great, except for the times when I would forget to ask, is it mine for like three days? And I would be in a funk for like three days. And then yeah, and I would forget, and then I would be like, wait a minute, is this mine? And the Lord would be so cheerful. Nope. And I'm like, oh my gosh. And I'd pray for 30 seconds and lift. I'm like, are you telling me I could have done this three days ago?

SPEAKER_01:

But it's real though, because you're a human being and you're learning to in a gift that is very confusing. And quite frankly, I mean, besides your stack of books, there, there's not a lot of training on this, right?

SPEAKER_00:

The church isn't doing part, especially not in mainline or evangelical Christianity. You know, it's just not talked about. So um sometimes you just have walked into a bubble of something, is what I like to think of. I'm very visual. So I have a bubble that's around me, and everybody has their own atmosphere. Think about Pig Pen from the old peanuts cartoon, like he carried this cloud, right? Everybody kind of has their cloud of their emotions, their spiritual stuff, you know. Um, and you walk into it. And so some people carry joy, which is super fun to walk into somebody's bubble when they're joyful. Because all you just always feel joyful in their presence, you laugh a lot. Other people carry depression, other people carry anger. Even when they're not angry, they feel angry, you know, they carry an atmosphere of anger. Um, and so there's times where I've walked into somebody else's bubble and I start become like coming under it. Yeah. And I start um doing the thermostat versus thermometer thing. So I start you start off being a thermometer, everybody does. A thermometer reads the temperature and displays it to you.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. So I walk into somebody's bubble who carries anger and sarcasm, and all of a sudden, sarcasm starts coming out of my mouth. And I have cut that out of my vocabulary. I don't usually talk that way anymore. Yeah. And I'd be like, whoa, what is happening? And then I realize, like, oh, I just I'm around this person that carries a lot of sarcasm. So I have to step back emotionally, be like, okay, that's not mine, kind of push it out of my bubble and become aware. I can pray for them. Um, but sometimes it's just, oh, that's not mine, and push it out of your bubble. It just got in your bubble and it's not yours. So um other times what you can do is pray the positive opposite. And so uh let's say you encounter somebody with depression, you start to kind of feel it, and you can just be like, Lord, just release joy over them, release peace over them, release comfort, you know, whatever the Lord prompts you to pray, that's the opposite. Because the positive opposite could be 10 different things depending on the person and the situation.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

For what they need. But I call that like anti-missile. Like, you know, like they have if there's planes flying and there's a missile going after it, they'll shoot stuff out of the back of the plane to make the missile blow up before it hits them. Yeah, that's what I see praying. The positive opposite is it throws the stuff out the back, and what the enemy's trying to get on you just blows up and it doesn't hurt you.

SPEAKER_01:

So good. So what advice would you give for someone that's maybe listening to this and it's resonating with them, but they also have a child that they're they're seeing, oh my goodness, I think my my son or daughter carries some of this. How do I disciple it through them through this when I'm learning?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely. So children with this gifting are often what I call the canaries in the cage. So the canary in the cage, that whole saying came from minors where they'd be deep down, they'd put a canary up in the top of the room they were in because canaries sing constantly. And if the air started to go out of the room, the canary would be the first to die and fall over and stop singing. They would hear that shift and have time to get out of the room, right? So unfortunately, the feelers are your canaries in the cage, they're gonna fall over first. Okay, they're gonna get affected by whatever's going on in the atmosphere first, and they're gonna display it to you. Yes. Um, so with children, this often looks like them freaking out or getting really sad, starting to display whatever is going on. So, an example, I I've nannie's for like six different families. Um, and I had this little boy who was very kind, very nice, all of a sudden started saying negative things about my body to me. And I was like, Where is this coming from? Like, is he learning it on the playground? Like, what's happening? So I was like correcting him, and um, I was talking to a friend about it who is also a feelerseer, and she goes, Marie, I think he's picking up on your atmosphere because you're having some body image issues. And I was like, Oh, you're right. Oh, yeah, yeah. And he was reading it and displaying it to me. So I did some work with the Lord and this friend, like doing some prayer around my issues and dealing with my insecurity. He never said another word after I dealt with my stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

So powerful, man.

SPEAKER_00:

Like it was just gone, you know, and um, and I saw that happen many other times with kids where they just display what's going on. So watching for sudden changes in behavior or actions that are not like their character. I had another kid that um I was talking to his mom and I had to tell him no for something, and he got mad and tried to like I out of the corner of my eye, I saw that he tried to kick me, which is not his character, was not his normal. Sure. And his mom saw it and was like mortified, and pulls him out of the room. And as she's pulling him out of the room, I was like, wait a second, he was just around this other kid who does carry that and does act like that. And I was like, It's not his. Like he she and I understood this stuff, and so I could talk like that to her. Yeah, you know, and so she just went, Oh, you're right, and so she kind of mildly told him, Don't do that. But then she just prayed to brush him off, like and brushing off prayers as simple as anything not of the Lord and not of me, get off in Jesus' name. Yes, and you know, fill me with the Holy Spirit. Yes, that's it. I mean, there's page long brushing off prayers out there, but I like being succinct, so I think it works.

SPEAKER_01:

Um feelers will feel that when they do that prayer, they'll feel it lift off. And so if that resonates with you, do that prayer right now because you will feel the shift immediately. I'll never forget when I taught my kids how to do it, and they're like, Oh, that feels so much better.

SPEAKER_00:

And yeah, you could feel and that's the thing is with kids, they don't have a junior Holy Spirit. So teach them from a young age that they have this gifting and then teach them how to deal with it. Yeah, like, hey, let's pray a brushing off prayer. When they're little, you do them for them, then you start to do it with them, and then you start to encourage them to do it while you're in their presence, and then eventually they start doing it on their own.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, because they understand, they feel the difference. The feelers, you know, feel it, the seers see it, they they see that it works. Right. You don't have to convince them, you know, you just have to teach them it's a gift. Um, when they're really little, you can pray protective bubbles around them in certain situations. Like if you know you're going into an intense situation and you have a kid who's a feeler, you can pray a protective bubble around them, like Lord protect them so they don't feel all the intensity of this because they know it's gonna be a hard situation.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's really good. What about teens that are like they're past the little kids stage? Uh they're learning how to be the adults, but they can't always articulate or be communicated to like adults yet. They're kind of in that messy in-between stage. Do you have any specific advice for that age group?

SPEAKER_00:

I think again, it's just talking about it. Um, and probably when they're not around other people because they might be embarrassed by that, you know, yeah, and they don't want to be seen as different. But what helped me a lot was just talking with other people who had these giftings and putting language to it. Right. Somebody else would say, Oh, I see like this, and they would finally put words to something that had happened to me, but I had um brushed it off and ignored it because I had no language for it. Right. And so if you can give them language, that's huge for them being able to know what to do with it, you know, because then they'll connect with it because they're experiencing it, they just don't know what the heck to do with it, you know. Um and so one of the things I encourage feelers to understand is um the Lord will use your body like uh like a whiteboard, and he'll write stuff on it. Okay. And so you'll feel stuff in your body, physically, emotionally, um, or even spiritually, as like pains in your body sometimes, or energy or um emotions, anger, sadness, grief, those different things can come up. And if you can think about it metaphorically, because feelers and seers will pick up on things very metaphorically sometimes. Yeah. Like I'll be in a situation and all of a sudden my shoulders start to hurt. I didn't do anything to my shoulders, nothing has happened in the last five minutes that my shoulders should hurt, and I'll suddenly have shooting pain sometimes. Like not always, but sometimes I'll have intense pain. And I'm like, what is going on? Right. You know? Yep. And I started learning to pay attention to it and learn that it was the Lord communicating something to me. Now, again, sometimes it's mine, sometimes it's somebody else's in the room, right? Or not in the room. Um, but all of this you have to learn and teach your kids how to just start asking questions and getting curious rather than being scared by it. I was scared by it before. Like, oh no, why is my body hurting again for no reason?

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

You know?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, or what did I do wrong? That was the question I always asked. What did I do now? Like, mm-hmm.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And so teaching people to have curiosity. Here's an example. I went to the state fair with a friend, and we were like walking into the fair. We hadn't eaten anything, we hadn't done anything, and all of a sudden I have a stomachache. And I'm like, I didn't have a stomachache five minutes ago, I haven't eaten anything. And so I got curious and I started looking around, like, where am I? What's around me? And I realized we were walking right by the haunted house. I was like, oh, that makes total sense. Just kind of pushed out of my bubble, prayed for the people in there, and moved on. Stomach ache went away. Yeah, I love that. So good. So it's paying attention to what is that body part for? What does it do? And learning to think metaphorically. So the example of the shoulders, a lot of times it's carrying burdens you're not supposed to be carrying. Okay. We use that part of our body to carry stuff. So if it's mine, maybe I'm thinking about some responsibility and taking it on that I don't need to be taking on. And I just need to offload that to the Lord and be like, oops, sorry. I picked this up. It's not really mine to carry. I give it to you. Yeah. Or maybe somebody I'm in the presence, like I work one-on-one with clients. So sometimes I start feeling stuff in my body that's the Lord giving me clues of what's going on with them. Yeah. Which is super fun. Some sessions, the whole session is just me having body pains and then asking the Lord about it and going with it. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. So I might start feeling shoulder pain and then just start asking them, like, hey, are you carrying any? Let's ask the Lord if you're carrying any burdens that you're not supposed to be carrying. And depending on where the client's at with understanding or having a grid for this, I might tell them what I'm feeling or I might not. And then just ask the questions. They don't need to know why I'm asking the questions.

SPEAKER_01:

Experiencing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. If they don't have a grid for it, I don't need to go there.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, I think that's the important thing for feelers and seers too is you can communicate about this stuff no matter the grid of the person in front of you. You just might modify a little bit what you're sharing and how much.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. You know, that's so good. And the Lord will give you wisdom to know when and what to share as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

A hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. So, in terms of, so my whole, my whole brand is learning how to regulate our nervous system and just really live in peace, right? So I know before I learned to carry this gift, I did not have any peace in my life. I had not raised been raised in a home where there was any peace. And it became abundantly clear to me when I went to college, just getting out of that atmosphere was massive for me. But if somebody is a seer or feeler and they don't know how to carry it, um, talk about how learning to carry it can just help bring that level of peace maybe that they haven't experienced before.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I think for one thing, what comes to my mind is when you start to understand it's a gifting, when you start to understand not everything's yours, yes, um, there comes this piece of like, oh, there's not something horribly wrong with me, right? Right. There's actually a reason for why these things happen. Um you have somebody you can go to, Jesus, to ask those questions of and get answers and get coaching and help. Um, or come and get coaching. I love to help coach people with this, you know, um, that have this gifting so they can have a better understanding of how to live with it and not have it crush them, you know. So good. Because it it can be crushing. And then you start to understand the process of what I call sorting, which can be exhausting, let's be honest. You're getting all this information. I say people with this gifting is like have a huge satellite on their head and they're just constantly getting all this information, and you're kind of constantly having to be in this place of sorting of like, oh, what was that? Is it mine? What do I do with that? Do I need to pray? Oh, push that out of my bubble. Like, there's this process that we you learn how to do that, um, it does get simpler, it's not always easy, let's put it that way. You start to understand what to do with it, how to offload it when you walk out of difficult situations, how to brush off. Because if you don't brush off and you just keep accumulating all this stuff, it builds up and builds up into chronic illness, into a nervous system that's like completely hyper-vigilant. Yes. And you're just like, when's the next thing gonna happen?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And I see a lot of people with this gifting start isolating. Yes. Because I didn't like malls growing up. I still don't like malls. It's I think the reason now that I understand myself better, it's too many atmospheres all together.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel the same way when I go into the city. Like in downtown city, any downtown, I I get overwhelmed by it.

SPEAKER_00:

So yeah, there's just so many atmospheres and things happening, and it's just like it's noisy, kind of. Um, and so they'll they'll start to isolate because they just they don't know what it is and they don't know what to do with it. Now, if I walk into a situation like that, I can kind of start to pray a bubble over myself. I can even ask the Lord to turn it down sometimes, like it's too much. Can you just just crank it down in little notch? Jesus, it's a little much right now. Yeah, you know, sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. But um it's it's it's learning how to do those things and it does help calm your body, just knowing you're not crazy will calm your nervous system. Yes, right. Yes, knowing there's a reason for this, um, knowing I don't need to run to the doctor because I have this stabbing pain in my in my ankle suddenly.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. That I didn't have five minutes ago and I haven't done a single thing to my foot. Right. And being able to ask the Lord questions and then see that pain lift because I worked through it with the Lord, prayed for the person I was supposed to pray for, blah, blah, blah. The pain lifts and it's gone. You know what I mean? Yeah. You you start to learn these processes that help you. Does it always make it easy? No. Um, I like to compare people with this gifting to a seismograph. It's that machine that can read the aftershocks that are deep, deep, deep in the earth's crust. Yeah. Yep. Very, very sensitive machine for a very, very specific purpose. Okay. If you try to use that machine to stop a tsunami, it's gonna get destroyed. Okay. Because for a tsunami, you need like a brick wall or cement, you know, or steel, something like that that's built for that situation. A seismograph's not built for that. So part of it is recognizing that as a sensitive person, we're built to pick up on tiny little nuances and things, which means if something big and huge happens, it's gonna be really rough on us. Yeah. Okay. And we're gonna need to have some protection. We're need gonna need to do a lot of self-care to get through that big thing.

SPEAKER_01:

That's so good.

SPEAKER_00:

Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so good. If someone is wanting um maybe some more support or help in this, what does that look like if they come to work with you?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Um, I love coaching people with this, with these giftings. Um, and it's funny because the Lord brings them to me, whether they know they are or whether even I know they are. They just kind of end up coming and I start realizing, like, oh, you're a feeler, you're a seer. Yeah. Um, but some of it can be helping them work through things from the past, because a lot of times people need to forgive people who judge them or that were critical of them, and that's contributed to them shutting the gift down or not talking about it and stuffing it. Um dealing with pain or fears from how the gifting impacted them in the past when they didn't understand or know what to do with it. Right. So working through some of that stuff. Some people just need some coaching of like, I need to talk to somebody about this that isn't gonna think I'm nuts.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

And like they need a sounding board to be honest.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, like a mentor.

SPEAKER_00:

I can, yeah, I can be that person who's like, yeah, you're not nuts. Like, tell me what you've seen. And then what can be helpful is just by talking about it with somebody else who also knows Holy Spirit and who is checking in can help you discern like what's going on in that situation, or what is this specific thing that happened to me. I don't even know what questions to ask. So sometimes I'm just helping them figure out what questions to ask the Lord and helping them facilitate that sorting process until they get better at it.

SPEAKER_01:

That's really good. I know when I've gone through things, I've reached out to you. And because I'm such a high feeler, sometimes we can be in it so deep that we're not hearing clearly from the Lord. And so I know that's one thing that you've helped me do as well is like, I just need somebody else that's a feeler to take a third-party look at what's happening here. And that can be so powerful because when we're in it, we forget all our tools, we're so overwhelmed by the emotions of it all that we're not hearing, thinking, seeing clearly. Um, and to have another person that's very sensitive to the spirit like that in your in your atmosphere is really helpful. So for me, I know that that's been invaluable.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, a hundred percent. And um you asked me earlier what are some of the things I've seen or what does this look like? Do you mind if I kind of cover that a little bit? Yeah, please do. Um, is how it kind of started for me was seeing people, I would think I was seeing people out of the corner of my eye, like standing somewhere. And I would look and there's nobody standing there. And I started talking to my friends who were seers, and like, what is that? Um, and they would be like, Well, that's usually angels, and that's how it starts. You just start to think you see a guy out of the corner of your eye. An example of this that confirmed it for me is I used to work downtown in a bad area of town. I'd had my car broken into, and ever after that break-in, I prayed that God would put an angel by my car to protect it while I was in work. Yeah, love it. And my friend who was a seer one day when I was telling her this whole thing I was seeing, she goes, Oh, it was like the other day I saw you get out of your car, and I thought I saw a guy standing on the other side of your car. And I looked again and there was nobody there. And when she said that, I just busted out laughing because I was like, You saw my car angel. Like for months I had been praying for this, you know, but like I the Lord connected it in my spirit immediately when she said this. Right. I was like, awesome, I do have a car angel. Love it. Sometimes you pray for stuff, but you're like, does it happen? You know? Um, and it made sense when I would see it. Like I would see it um at the you know, the door of my classroom that I was teaching, you know, at Teen Challenge, or um, I saw them in my kitchen, or I would see them standing around my family, you know, um when we were going through something di a difficult time in our family. So that was when on the negative side, I would um I would think I see a bug crawling on the floor, and like a normal-sized bug, and I'd look again, there's nothing there. And I started just assuming that I that was the enemy. Okay, because creepy crawlies, yeah, not something, you know, spiders, not something you really want. And so I would just go, oh, I should probably pray. So an example of this is I walked into a hotel room, I'm putting my stuff away, and all of a sudden I think I see a normal sized spider on the floor. I look again, there's nothing there. And I went, Oh, I haven't cleaned my hotel room yet. Yeah. So I was like, everybody out, this is my room for tonight, you know, Holy Spirit, come and fill this place. And so it was a good reminder. I did not feel I did not see it as a scary thing, right? I saw it as good information. Yeah. Once we learn more authority over it, fear doesn't need to come in. So when people are afraid of this, and I have people who like I have this video on my YouTube of helping feelers and seers thrive in their gifting. And some people well, often people will be like, I had to pause it, it was too much. Like they get scared even learning about this information. Sure. Because they're afraid of learning about the demonic, they're afraid of seeing the demonic. Um, and so what I've had to learn is tell people is you need to learn about your identity, you need to learn about your authority, and you need to lose your fear of the demonic. Yes, not because you shouldn't go play in their playground. 100%, you should not go play in the enemy's playground. Okay. You are not bigger than the enemy. But you plus Jesus is always bigger than the enemy. Right. So if we step outside of God's plan or God's protection and we're messing with the demonic, bad, bad, bad, bad. Don't do that. Okay. But if you're within God's protection, you're within what He wants you to be doing, and you're encountering the demonic, you always have authority, be like, get out of town. Like, no, you don't get to be in my life. And once I and I had to go through those experiences of getting over my fear of the demonic and having the Lord break that off of my life and break these lies off of my life that the enemy was somehow bigger than God. Right. Um, and once I lost that fear and stepped into my full identity in the Lord, stepped into my authority and what that means, and that I can tell him to take a hike, then it's way, way less scary. When I see stuff, when I see the demonic, um, it doesn't scare me. It's like it's just information.

SPEAKER_01:

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00:

And I know what to do with it because I know how to handle spiritual warfare. I've, you know, the Lord has taught me those things. And so I go into like more like warrior mode.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Of like, oh, I need to pray, I need to get intercessors on this or whatever. I don't feel fear.

SPEAKER_01:

I love it. Love it. That's so good. Any last thoughts for anybody that's listening to this? Any suggestions of you know, maybe they're not ready to come see you, but maybe they want to read about it. Like I know you mentioned the one book, but you have a whole stack there. What are your favorites?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, what I usually tell feelers to start with is um the The Mystery of Spiritual Sensitivity by Carol Brown. And her second book is called Highly Sensitive. Uh just buy both of them, read them. It's super helpful. Um, on the Seer side of things, by the veil, Blake Healy. He has four books. Just buy them all, just read them all. Um, they're super helpful. If you're more heady and you like to know all of the Greek and Hebrew and you know the deep, deep theological. James Gall has a book called The Feeler and a book called The Seer, and he goes through all of that in great depth.

SPEAKER_01:

Um that's to get biblical accuracy in case you're wondering why somebody would do that, because the originals are written in Greek and Hebrew, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, yeah. Um and Shifting Atmospheres by Donna DeSilva.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that was so good.

SPEAKER_00:

Her her seat, like her audio of it that's on YouTube, is super helpful, but then the book would go into more depth, you know. Yeah. So those are great starting points for people. Um just learning about it helps take away some of the fear too.

SPEAKER_01:

So good. And then where can people find you if they want to reach out and meet with you or find your YouTube channel? Where can they find you?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. So if they go to vibrantlife consulting.com, that's my website. Um, if they click on the book now, they can book a free 15-minute consultation with me to ask any questions they might have before booking. They can find me on YouTube under Vibrant Life Consulting as well. Very good.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, thank you so much for coming on today and sharing all your knowledge. I learned so much from you in this topic. Like, I'm just I'm grateful that you're talking about it because we need uh seers and feelers to fully step into their gift and stop watering them down or turning them down because, like you said, they're the radar for what's going on in the world and in the atmosphere, and we need them.

SPEAKER_00:

So well, and we if we don't talk about it and we relegate it all to the demonic, we end up losing them to the new age. Yeah. Because the new age goes, that's a gift, we'll teach you how to use it. Right. And then they start using it for the wrong kingdom, right? You know, yeah, and it's such a still gifting. Yeah. So we want him to use it for God's kingdom and and for his good.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, so good. So good. Well, I will link all of these things in the show notes if you're listening and you want to find Marie or any of the books that she recommended. I'll have all those in the show notes. So thank you for joining us today, Marie, and thank you for joining us. Listeners, we'll see you next time.

SPEAKER_00:

All right.